asciilifeform meanwhile making new attempt at the auto-installer for asciilifeform-gentoo, this time using trinque's method .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness -- by my current reckoning, i can get away with charging <1/2 of what piz cost for colo ; so errybody who lived in piz, oughta be able , for same price, to keep ~2~ (or moar) boxen, e.g. 1 here and 1 in diana_coman's , or even 1 in ea. + barebone in heathendom.
asciilifeform: qntra is a mp-powered system, btw, so he may want to weigh in 1st re where plugged in.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: per my notes, smg was gearing to purchase its inhabited irons (pending delivery of replacements) , this fell down when the rack fell down. i expect if it comes out as +ev , and estimate of time for transportation aint outrageous, mp may want to proceed with said purchase and grab the irons. worth to ask.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: usa has no 'import vat', 1 of the few pluses of sitting there, afaik.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: see what you can source locally ; compare .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this naturally depends on whether you're already doomed to import. but worth making the calculation.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: filling a rack, asciilifeform-style, is entirely doable w/out megabux , it costs roughly like those old mercs mp buys. ( at least until one tried to buy ip... )
asciilifeform: mp's 'make it an engineered, not shamanic, product' crit is valid.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can you make this happen by saturday ? would like to get diana_coman's rk standing up immediately when router, hoses, etc. emplaced.
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-17#1946065 << exactly. gotta make the attempt, BingoBoingo, mod6 .
asciilifeform: currently seems like the method mp mentioned is the only way to weasel out of the massive 'yearly maintenance' extortions, there.
asciilifeform: it can't all be reserved just for mp's dish modem, can it..
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'd imagine so; but given mp's reminder that 'yer in a ~lawless orcistan' ' what asciilifeform imagines ' aint worth the electrons, i suspect
asciilifeform: i'd comment, but this is squarely a q for actual abogado, and/or mp , quite above asciilifeform's grade .
asciilifeform: 'Officially, companies are not allowed to sell their IP addresses but in practice that rule is widely flouted by peddling them through brokers and then putting a transfer through ARIN's systems. ARIN is, of course, aware of the black market in addresses, but decided, after long debate, not to change the fundamental way it distributes and shifts them. It does, however, scrutinize transfers, and in this case an error in one of Golestan
asciilifeform: 'Despite their current market value of between $13 and $19 per IP addresses, ARIN continues to provide IP addresses to its "members" for no direct cost, a holdover from the early days of the internet when IP allocation was literally a free-for-all. Depending on the size of a company, you pay ARIN an annual membership fee that starts at just $250. Members then pay between $100 and $500 for an address block with an annual maintenance f
asciilifeform: (speaking as almost complete ignoramus re subj) : mp_en_viaje do you know how 'well-behaved' is arin ? i.e. do they routinely confiscate ip blox from 'undesirables' the way the dns people do ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems to be how 'coloco' acquired their.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: apparently arin put in 'maintenance fees' and various fascism for new buyers.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely so. and i'ma chronicle the thing properly, get the photo-shy people into the photos if at all possible.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is jurov alive ? iirc he's in prague
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer right tho. i can always 'un-advertise''em laters, if the thing's a dud.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fair cop btw. i amended the article.
asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i fully intend to attempt to turn the 2 into 'people' (vs 'horse') but would like to avoid having'em stampede away immediately like your various vendors galloped. ( will just as readily 'ride as horse' if must, the bloody rack is so cheap as 'almost free', i've been paying almost half of that sum for the retarded hoster where my www is currently )
asciilifeform amended orig '1st hour' chronicle piece w/ name of vendor, per mp and diana_coman's criticism.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: not to mention, yest. diana_coman did not say 'idjit, why not named vendor immediately' ? why waited for mp to barf ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945816 << in that shop, they dun ~sell~ blocks, but lease by the single ip. what was offered , is to connect with broker who sells. i inquired, min. purchase is /24 from their broker, at 6k usd. imho oughta comparison-shop before shelling out, price seemed astronomical ( am i rube ? always 6k ? )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for thread-completeness, they 'if you want'em RIGHT NAO' 'we can hook you up with broker' 'howmuch' '6k for /24'
asciilifeform: ( i dun expect mp is having to pay, having bought in 'golden age' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: last detail, ips are 2.34 $ ea. ( unless e.g. mp lends piece of ip . mp do you want ? what wouldja like in exchange ? ) and 2 come 'phree' w/ the basic halftower.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect that will fill pipe and mains (10 ampere) before i physically fill halftower.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the shithole is so impoverished that ~nuffin can be had, an oxypropane torch will work just as well.
asciilifeform: ( simply was hoping to use same recipe for 'infecting' usb stix as for normal installs, is all )
asciilifeform goes to read mp re how germany sux.
asciilifeform: ^ article will disappoint folx who wanted to see the coffee, board rooms, other 'imponade', these can show later if anyone gives a shit. so far just the goods.
asciilifeform waves to mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i hesitate to say 'a+++ machinepark' until i've, lol, actually plugged sumthing in. but by all indications promising, in-biz since '94 and claims 0 outage complaints to date. sits on regional backbone.
asciilifeform: aite. it's b/w mod6 , ben, mp, & odin.
asciilifeform: mod6: imho mp is right re tbf btw. it's a stone chained to leg of mod6 and dragging it isn't producing detectably useful output presently imho .
asciilifeform: nao ideally i am mistaken about this, and can simply be posted.
asciilifeform: mod6: i mention because it appears that BingoBoingo cannot simply put'em in 1-2 crates and mail, may trigger 'export' wank.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform opposes the sale of remaining FG stockpile to orcs at flea market. but mod6 is majority holder, and so will mention even this, for thread-completeness strictly.
asciilifeform: mp actually left the q 'in what pay' open until liquidation set up. but imho oughta ask him again , if we're actually considering a transport run .
asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, there is also a possible variant where 4 boxen need pick up, but want to go to somewhere other than asciilifeform's. this is to be left to the owners, if indeed 4 boxen, and their owners want to move'em.
asciilifeform: per my reading of last wk's log, to mod6 is also left the fate of the piz FG's (mp asked to be repayed in coin, rather than iron, as i parsed it)
asciilifeform: mod6: on top of this, imho the '20 boxen w/ no hot spares'-in-one-cage thing oughta be avoided . it tempts fate.
asciilifeform: mp actually suggested this last week, as a possible backup for ordinary post if the degree of retardation involved in the latter is beyond what can be digested
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if the orcs double-taxation thing appears to make transportation impractical, we may want to consider a pickup flight by asciilifeform . can remove 4u of boxen for ~2k (us) total . for certain machines even this may be +ev.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect you still have the ~import~ receipts from the boxen that ben botched. that oughta do ~sumthing~ ? try an' find out.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: my current thinking is, to usa, to move the beefier (24, 32 cpu) boxen -- +ev ; but to europistan , where i expect would cost 1.5x-2x, + oddball europistani taxes, may not be, if anyone contemplating the latter, oughta do separate estimate
asciilifeform: simply to put reasonably accurate picture in log
asciilifeform: mod6: think about whether it may be good idea to try an' structure asciilifeform's , diana_coman's , other folx, rack efforts, as a continuation of piz. ( rly oughta ask mp whether this makes sense , tho ) . otherwise can operate as 'errymanforhimself'.
asciilifeform: ( what practical impact from this ? for instance, finally canhaz entrance router that actually logs events. instead of running from readonly squashfs as is usual. )
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman for ftp! 'warm lamp sound!' it worx.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not even directly comparable, imho, centos packages are binariolade balls
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: already purchased another 'octeon' to set up the entrance router + switch for wherever new asciilifeform cage built. and will start by emplacing apu1's & rk's , then anyone who has the courage to put box in heart of reich.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'coloco' fella asked if i had any personally-owned ip chunks. ( asciilifeform does not . ) but iirc mp did. if this machinepark turns out to be worthwhile, and mp ends up sending in a box(s) , he could actually use own ips there.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: afaik it'd do no harm to enable both sets of flags ; simply makes for a slightly moar 'obese' kernel.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lemme know btw if you want this thrd moved back to #o , rather than to put kilometres of gentoo cruft here.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: > 3 oem pieces of 'samsung 860' if can believe. still 'cartel' rationed, apparently.
asciilifeform: fuckin sovok rations. apparently ~impossible to get >3 to 1 addr in 1 shot, today just like 5y ago.
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje at one time advertised his www on lamp posts in buenosaires. maybe, worked ? (for some value of 'worked'..)
asciilifeform: for what do south-chukchas use fg ? ( maybe, ar is simply where them redditi keep 'vpn proxies' naodays )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in last weeks of dulap log , there were moar 'humanlike' activity on its www from argentines than ~anywhere else ; incl. folx grabbing FG test dumps etc. i had and still have nfi who , why.
asciilifeform: to complete the chronology : the 1st outage long enuff to nuke asciilifeform's monitor shell (i.e. >5m) was on oct 4 .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'bumps' in the pipe began full week prior. initially latech 'explained away' as 'problem w/ upstream router', recall.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: went down for-good on 6 oct. 0130 hrs (nyc time) .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: likely.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: even 'ha, you pay' comes in 2 variants, 'you get bill for $bil' and 'your acct empties in 5sec' , would at least like to know which before signing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aa, but they have claptrap re 'ddos proof'
asciilifeform rages re the bmoar people, wtf, asked'em simple q : 'how does ddos play into yer per-packet billing scheme' prior to subscribing simple box w/ own www ; nao 3d waiting for answer...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'stay seekrit 4evah' coades prolly oughta run from ramdisk, imho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i know some ~ex~ physicists. but they're all 80yo d00dz whose 'work' mainly is to water their gardens nao.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: at this rate, the sad dc asciilifeform decided to move his www to (bmor) might be the 1st to stand up. and it's ungodly slow.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, and worse still, not even 'reduce magnetism', but even simpler problems remain open, e.g. 'why does supercon.' simply there aint any newton-grade folx involved in the field anymoar, all that's left is the 'throw particles against wall and type output into 'ms-excel' folx.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: that'd be 1 tard-extreme ( illustrated by hobbes. )
asciilifeform: d00d's air pump was worse 'craftsman voodoo' than just about anyffing today.
asciilifeform: i had nfi that hobbes had anyffin useful to say. but apparently did, and was actually right, that pump ended up trigger for 'need mega-funding' failure cascade leading to, arguably, today's 'eotvos' et al.
asciilifeform recently, when 'took r&r break' briefly, unearthed that apparently r. boyle was accused by t. hobbes of, essentially, of 'cyclotron', for introducing the (expensive, at the time) air pump as a centerpiece of royal society demos. pretty interesting vintage wank.
asciilifeform realizes that this is rather 'petrological' vision of knowledge. 'dinosaurs died an' liquified, nao we pump'em.' but what can do, when little in the way of new ones walking around.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is why it took asciilifeform several months to derive the original set of ban flags.
asciilifeform: (and that's simply cpu time)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entirely correct. for instance, after adding a ban flag, to bring the system into conformance with it takes a 'rebuild world', i.e. 2-3 day process.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc trinque had an experimental cuntoo variant that was built with '-ssh' ban flag. will see what he says when wakes up re this subj
asciilifeform: but to revisit upstack -- i pulled this item off shelf to help diana_coman , who has legacy softs that are known not to work in cuntoo. and for own needs, because my attempts to bake a working cuntoo have failed ( and take ~day or so to even fire off, so difficult so far to debug . )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: observe, i cooked this image 2y ago, and all of the mirrors which then were alive, today dead.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the mirrors are used to pull down tarballs for which in the image 'portage' already contains frozen hashes. but really these oughta be abolished, and all tarballs to be present on install stick.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: hash of entire image, goes in the recipe (as in r4) but really any included items also oughta indiv.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: chroots are tricky , but there is a very limited use of'em in the r4 recipe (where could not avoid.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'ma mechanize as much of the process as is practical, but wanted to get the hand-cranked ver. out for review/test asap. hence the 'nao add 3 spoons of sugar' etc. headaches.
asciilifeform: this is good point mp_en_viaje , i'd like to know if something omitted before others (e.g. BingoBoingo) attempt to fire the thing.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol 'leak ip', how about 'civilize barbaric voodoo into published tool'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: with 5-6 flags in the kern conf, item could stand on even intel boxen. ( asciilifeform simply boycotts intelism ) . the other item to add is that i'm making a single-usbstick installer, also supporting serial console, for to simplify installation on leased machines ( typically telekvm permits use of ~one~ 'virtual' disk. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yw !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aside from 'help diana_coman get smg despite isp lost at sea' in general , not being a latech, asciilifeform wants to make proper 'walls', rather than ' asciilifeform holds up the wall ' walls. in the spirit of 'publish fg schems' etc.
asciilifeform: well mp_en_viaje works on bringin' back kings, i'ma meanwhile this. brb, sawing apart testbed.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in evil-saboteur-craftsman guild, we have this custom. not done yet tho, apparently even this recipe contains mistake. currently vivisecting.
asciilifeform: btw i agree w/ mp_en_viaje's larger pt, if folx dun get up off arse and ~use~ asciilifeform's published instructions to actually replicate his 'magical' irons -- then yes will die of bolix plague !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: loox like hooligan might be sending forced tcp close in 'your' ip .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you've the compl. pcb masks etc. , anyone with basic 10 grade education can make FG .
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje , diana_coman , et al, ran the risk/roi calculation and it only came out in favour of FG vs. intel rng because thought that piz could never die or that iron can be teleported , but w/ dead piz and realization that cannot be teleported -- goes other way, then so wills allah -- but asciilifeform objects to the accusation of 'scam'. erryone knew for what signed up.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i was commenting primarily re the 'opteron', to point that you do not in fact ~must~ ('scammed by evil craftsman') use the particular machine ! can use 9000 diff machines. simply bother to inspect for physical space 1st.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: again, if 'customization is dangerous b/c may end up having to physically ship irons rather than lease 'amazon'' then yes. but you knew this going into FG. but the implication that 'he scammed me into building FG' is disingenuous, FG built before piz, w/ mp_en_viaje's expert judgement & consent, and at no pt was there problem in supplying mp_en_viaje or 50+ other folx w/ it on sched.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 'specified' describes strictly asciilifeform's judged machine. it is not anywhere proclaimed that 'must ONLY' on such machine. i've FG plugged into a toshiba 586 here.
asciilifeform: what type of machine mp_en_viaje et al use, is b/w him and odin. and i object to the implication that 'scammed' him into using particular type that is 'magically sauced'. at any pt mp_en_viaje was free to reject asciilifeform's rec and demand a different type.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if intel then recompile . if amd, will run as given.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: nope. all you need is a box with empty space, for instance ~any 2u.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: (very good flame, btw, the arms pic, i've no counter) but you haven't actually been 'fucked over by craftsmen' yet re FG, not only asciilifeform can make for you as many FG as you want, but so can successors, item is 100% documented.
asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : all further q's for asciilifeform , in castles plox. here i'ma answer if invoked by mp and not otherwise.
asciilifeform: !Qlater tell mp_en_viaje if you think asciilifeform is liar, then per the mp's operating instruction you have wrong sign bit on asciilifeform's rating. i'ma take that -9 nao.
asciilifeform: i'm not even making a joke against mp , perhaps he's right that somewhere there lives the hero with 8 hands who can do all of this on spec.
asciilifeform: which i suspect is at least part of the reason mp didnt want it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp asked for x. upfront i told that can only produce y. he said 'no ty' and i respect.
asciilifeform: btw just as mp_en_viaje said 'orc dc is at least just as terrible, turns out, as usa dc' i'm quite convinced that 'lease rando box from turks' aint any 'cleaner' than 'ask asciilifeform for lulazon aws in 15min'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: observe that in 2y of piz, not 1 'ew, he buys old irons' component failed.
asciilifeform: so they simply recocked the 'if ddos, unplug'em' pistol, eh.
asciilifeform: just cuz mp dun want to inhabit it dun mean it could not be inhabited. he did not say 'i'ma excommunicate anyone who lives there' just yet.
asciilifeform: lobbes: mp dun want that one, tho, cuz ' you can't do x, can't do y, you're anti-useful ' etc, who am i to argue
asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i cleaned the intel box in case end up asking for it if not turks.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: but ya didnt ask him to bake a phuctor.
asciilifeform: ~all programming's needlwurk, mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-09#1944144 << ftr i actually agree with mp_en_viaje , it's, wat, a 100ln proggy?!
asciilifeform: i suspect they're ~empty like Bingo's people
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: contains, fwiw, a 'xeon' (intelism) 2x cpu. 2 5in. bays, some form of raid (will have to boot up if interested.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i missed a crate when inventoried x86 boxen.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate quote is valid for 2wks, if mp_en_viaje parachutes in 'someone who aint a tard' asciilifeform will get cage etc. when given marching order.
asciilifeform: ( simply 1.2amp fuse per 2u holes )
asciilifeform: you can run it all day at Gb if you like, simply will pop when the bill comes.
asciilifeform: simply charges for mass.
asciilifeform: this naturally does ~not~ give same 'bang for buck' as 'whole cage, motherfucker!' and mp_en_viaje -- barfs predictably. tho i was under impression that diana_coman also shopping for less than whole cage.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje sometimes seems to think that asciilifeform is a 1/32th scale model of himself. but no, asciilifeform is a pauper, and not even grade-a pauper .
asciilifeform: and incidentally when they empty that 42u, i'ma have even less recourse than BingoBoingo against latech. i can't afford even hour of usa attourney i suspect . (not that it'd do much good)
asciilifeform: bvt: it's overkill 'for self', i aint mp, not loaded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the thought of filling a 42u in usa still makes me queasy. 1 day i'ma show up there and it'll be empty, 'oops'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if e.g. trinque wants in, perhaps mp_en_viaje will consider.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje said 'no pasaran'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: my approach was to find a ~reasonable~ dc to which can get with own hands. and to fall on the grenade of paying it from pocket. but i can see wai mp_en_viaje barfed.
asciilifeform: see mp_en_viaje's point about the whore angela.
asciilifeform swears on mpkoranbbq that he doesn't
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if mp_en_viaje were interested, would. but he thinks asciilifeform is lunatic. so what'd be the use.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i think mp_en_viaje will sooner eat glass than go argentine
asciilifeform: diana_coman: apparently even bmore loox good compared to some of'em
asciilifeform: a+++ mp_en_viaje karateka today btw.
asciilifeform: nighty mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: luckily mp_en_viaje has battalion of people-who-make-sense next to reasonably-priced-dc then..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/baltimoristan.jpg for anyone who cares .
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje says -- then perhaps is, who am i to say.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform might be intransigent, but aint a liar. i dun got 100k of any.
asciilifeform: i think i figured it out, mp_en_viaje still thinks asciilifeform is seekritly loaded and simply intransigent
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why it is even interesting to ask about what unrackables asciilifeform owns ? my toyota also aint rackable.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: whole bolix cost me 5. cpu was briefly sold for 450/ea, nao absent entirely from market.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you already said 5x 'useless', can say 6 if you like, but i get
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'd say nomoar than 5k will be paid for it at the auction when im hanged.
asciilifeform: what's useless , and what aint, depends from who pov. for building a piz-style dc -- 100% useless. and btw asciilifeform already, i thought, killed 1 dc, why would mp_en_viaje even consider to put'im in another.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: handful of said cpu + 1 working machine is all i got re these.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i aint got a comp warehouse ! and moreover have nfi why mp_en_viaje thought -- did.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 16 ( 17, incl desk test bed ) rk. + a room fulla laboratory gear, such as is kept by fella who never even in nightmare pictured to run a dc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun own 100k of anyffin, dun think.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 5 of bolix (not partic. relevant, does someone want ~that~ racked?!)
asciilifeform: mno, was discussed in painfully pedantic detail, compl. w/ links to the people from whom bought.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: bought the piz inhabitants, neh.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: worse, all of this aint even the hard part, in usa can get any kinda rackables for ~lunchmoney
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have a www. since '07. was even under impression that mp_en_viaje occasionally read it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun have a surgical theatre either. nor milking machines. i was never attempting to fill a dc, until piz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you think i'd sit on a rack's worth of comp and not say ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'unsexies' e.g. oscilloscopes, do 0 for racks
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it'd depend what's rackworthy ! but in asciilifeform's eyes, not errything with a cpu in it is 'rackworthy'
asciilifeform: what , did mp_en_viaje think asciilifeform was sitting on top of a dc ?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in your conception of 'electronics' -- apparently not
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: lol unless you want some 486 racked..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the only rackable i have in stock here is the rktron.
asciilifeform: physical cabinet + mains current, 1.2amp / 220v per 2u ration.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: other thing, whole cage may be 750, but bw for a rack's wortha boxen would be coupla k/m
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun know how to turn btc into us-cc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you forgot 'stop being poor, fucktard'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: idea was, uy1, or dulap, etc.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: expected ~400-500 for coupla holes, apparently can haz.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can reliably put 4-5hundy w/out problems, from asciilifeform's daily racket. and thought we were orig. discussing 'could house 1u?' . but if not mp_en_viaje-grade, then waht can do.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if we make 'discover working btc-to-usd in middle of fucking reich' part of this problem, will take long time.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: bmore warehouse dun eat cash.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: pauper.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i also dunwant to end up in 'marriage' to this warehouse.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: seems that if worth, worth to test w/ 1 or 2 pieces.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: atm seems that 'fill whole rack' is recipe for 'new piz'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: can you reformulate ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: sold by 2u increment, hundy per.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dunno, i'm simply still not recovered from allergic choke from last go.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: appears to be.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's 'bout 3x less than i expected it'd cost
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje, BingoBoingo , et al : bmore orcs actually pretty cheap , comparatively . promised written quote later today.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: as side note, 'horse' prolly belongs in that glossary of yours.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: are the people where you put your www at all usable ? or only worx when mp_en_viaje's in saddle ? (or not on table cuz 'eggs/basket' ? )
asciilifeform elbowed a key and mp_en_viaje's caesar ended up where the front sector camera running image normally is on asciilifeform's left-lower lcd. asciilifeform sees, and goes 'wtf' before realizes
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: do you find it entirely unacceptable to use someone like the moldavian d00d , if someone volunteers to 'cutout' (i.e. pay him and pasture him, on command) ?
asciilifeform also in favour of mp_en_viaje's 'rebuild uy1' idea , it is smart.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: didja know there are 0 in washingtonistan ?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it doesn't even need to be unusually heavy machine
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje already knows that we have backups.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there is ! i.e. get heathen machine, and unroll the backup to it.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: for some reason i thought you had'em write into a queue always
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i was wundering where newton's royalsociety thing went..
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you have entirely fair point, 'gun that no one aims an' pulls trigger on dun fight'
asciilifeform: [insert here oblig thrd where mp: 'you think i actually NEED the net? well, i can just as readily rule via camel couriers!11' ]
asciilifeform: i suspect that mp_en_viaje will yet have occasion to say 'thank you' to asciilifeform for having 'wasted time' discovering how to undetectably and reliably shortwave.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje was in fact right in 2015, when wrote that working internet can only be built w/ constellation of machinery on old one, where if can connect to 1 noad, you get republican net, and the bits ~will~ go where they're addressed for so long as there's physically via what.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: atm haven't even made for you the 1st breakfast tho.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'spring' does need the keccak tho. then can actually rsapad.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: no amt of spring does anyffin w/out ratchet. or ratchet, w/out spring.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: orig. asciilifeform's counter to 'internet is disappearing' was 'let's make mp_en_viaje's gossipd'. but then, like idjit, went to try an' make isp purse from sow ear.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: ftr i wasn't under the impression that you were.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: yer right tho
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didn't propose 'spin globe randomly' but approx what mp_en_viaje in fact gave .
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: possibly asciilifeform has simplistic model of BingoBoingo -- i.e. ' BingoBoingo -- parachutist. what's a 2nd, 3rd, ..., jump, to parachutist !'
asciilifeform: afaik the only ixp in uy is antel. but mp_en_viaje has it
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho mp_en_viaje has strong point.
asciilifeform: fwiw i'm satisfied that there's moar buried nazi gold to be found in uy than dc-run-by-guy but if mp_en_viaje not convinced , i haven't a counter
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: gotta ask, why couldn't he, e.g. fix motorcycles ? also work for good hands, and unlike salaried tech ( asciilifeform did a 2y+ tour of duty as just-this when was starving ) open-ended vol. of biz
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed they do
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re other-people's gear -- aint exactly, as you suggested, 'interchangeable sex tape that can be made with any tard', see e.g. 1, 2 .
asciilifeform: as mp_en_viaje pointed out.
asciilifeform: imho the most valuable surviving component of piz is BingoBoingo , and would suck x9000 to lose him to the black hole.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: errybody joins the foliage at some pt.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i suspect that you'll turn out to be right, which is why BingoBoingo you gotta pack yer suitcases
asciilifeform cannot categorically say 'impossible to make moneys smuggling comps into fuckholistan' but prolly possible for suitcase man who knows how to get >100kg in for 2k $ trip, rather than <100
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: died when discovered that to get even m3 screws into fuckingmonkeystan takes a courier with suitcases
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've been getting rid of the obv. dross , 1st..
asciilifeform: ( even tho mp_en_viaje already wrote'em off . might need'em ! )
asciilifeform took this to near-pathological extent, still in fact has all of the parts for attempt at pick-n-place machine etc
asciilifeform: unless to count a 2013 prototype rng, the size of postage stamp.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: iirc you have 20 'pogo' . ( not aware of other 'detritus' )
asciilifeform: indeed mp_en_viaje has crate ( arm boxen )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje already well made the point that he didnt sign up to warehouse anyffin.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: any gear we buy back as snsa by all rights gotta return to asciilifeform's torture chamber rack, at least until there's where else. that way no 'wont have or who thefuck knows' neh.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've no opposition to sale of gear to locals, to martians, to trump, wherever. 1st would have to find out who wants to keep his gear tho, and who -- instead jettison, and ask for coin (and if so at what weight of coin to gear.)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if you told me he's the man who got o. j. simpson to walk from electric chair, i'd also believe. but gpg -- he had 0 idea about.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i believe !
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: we'll review the logs; half a coin -- then half a coin.
asciilifeform: per the teachings of mp_en_viaje's , as i understand it makes diff, 'aint a man unless harem' neh
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what he oughta have said ? what was there to say ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why do you think asciilifeform comes to mp_en_viaje to be beaten with ramrods ?
asciilifeform: incl. ones mp_en_viaje dun even use.